From the Jamatkhana to the Quran: An Ex-Ismaili's Story and Her Critique of Aga Khanism

A summary of the Zaitoon FM live interview between Mr. Aheer and Elaina Ali


About the interview

On a live stream that ran for roughly four and a half hours, Mr. Aheer, host of Zaitoon FM Live, sat down with Elaina Ali, a former Aga Khani Ismaili who now runs the Aga Khanism YouTube channel. Aheer, whose audience knows him mainly for work on the Finality of Prophethood and the Qadiani/Ahmadi question, explained that he invited Elaina after noticing her channel and realising how little his own audience knew about the Aga Khani community.

The stream followed a question-by-question format. Elaina presented slides and video clips, many taken from Ismaili institutional websites, publications and recorded talks, and said she wanted viewers to verify each reference themselves rather than take her word for it. The second half was open to callers, including a former Ismaili who is now Shia Ithna-Ashari, a recent revert, and several viewers from Pakistan, India and elsewhere.

Please note: everything below reflects the views and claims of the guest and host, presented as a summary of what was said. The Ismaili community and its institutions might disagree. We encourage readers to examine primary sources and hear from all sides.



Who is Elaina Ali?

Elaina Ali comes from a Khoja Ismaili Sindhi family in Pakistan. She says she left the community about 13 or 14 years ago. Asked for the single main reason, her answer was simple: she read the Quran.

She described how she had been trained to become an Ismaili missionary (alwaiza) and expected to bring many people into the faith. She credits God with protecting her from using that ability to pull others in.

Her message to Ismailis who are still inside the community, she said, is the same one that motivates her work: to listen once, without bias, and open the door to hear the case. "Guidance only enters a house whose doors are open."

Is Ismailism a "sect" of Islam?

Aheer began with a common confusion: internet searches often list Sunni, Shia, Ahmadi and Ismaili side by side as though they are huge differences.

Elaina's position was blunt. In her view, Ismailism is not a sect but a separate religion, and the community's own members often do not describe themselves as Muslims. She said that in her area, many Ismailis answer "we are Khoja" or "we are Ismaili" when asked if they are Muslim, and that on some occasions this reportedly shifts depending on the audience, an example she gave of taqiyya (concealment of belief), which she described as a core part of the faith.

The Ismaili–Twelver split

Using slides and a chart, she walked through the historical divide:

  • Shia Muslims split from the mainstream over the question of Imamate versus the caliphate.
  • Among those who believe in the Imamate, Twelvers (Ithna-Ashari) follow Imam Musa Kazim after Imam Jafar Sadiq, while Ismailis follow Ismail ibn Jafar.
  • Elaina noted that, according to historians and even Ismaili sources she cited (including a book by Farhad Daftary), Ismail died before his father Jafar Sadiq, so he could not have inherited the Imamate. Ismaili tradition explains this with the account that his death was staged for his safety.
  • Later, Ismailis divided again into Nizaris (the present Aga Khani line, followed by Elaina's former community) and Mustalis (the Bohra branches), along with offshoots such as the Druze, the Hafizis, and others.

She also pointed out that Ismaili lines of Imams do not count Imam Hasan, which is part of why she argues Ismailis cannot simply be called Shia.

Alamut and the Hashashin

The discussion also touched on historical episodes such as the Qarmatian attack on Mecca in 930 CE and the Nizari fortress of Alamut. Elaina described these as part of the violent history of Ismaili offshoots. As with other historical claims in the stream, listeners should treat these as the speaker's account and consult scholarly histories.

The "Living Imam" (Hazir Imam)

A central part of the interview examined what Ismailis mean by the Hazir Imam (the Present Imam), currently Prince Rahim Al-Hussaini Aga Khan V, who succeeded Prince Karim Aga Khan IV in 2025.

How is an Imam appointed?

According to Elaina, the Imam writes the name of his successor in a will, to be opened after his death. She pointed to the 1957 succession as a historical puzzle: Sultan Muhammad Shah named his grandson Karim rather than his son Aly Khan, which she said was unexplained to followers who had been told otherwise.

Does this conflict with the finality of prophethood?

Aheer asked whether Ismaili belief in divine guidance reaching the Imam is a form of revelation. Elaina said community teachers avoid the word wahy and instead use terms like ta'yid (divine support) said to "fall on the heart of the Imam." Her argument was that, whatever the word, it implies ongoing communication from God, including to change religious practice, which is contradicting the finality of prophethood.

"Hai Zinda Qayyum Paya"

Elaina explained the greeting used in the Jamatkhana, which she says reinterprets the Quranic divine attribute Al-Hayy Al-Qayyum as referring to the Imam. She also played clips from Ismaili speakers who teach that the 99 Names of God describe the light of the Imam.

The concept of God

Elaina summarised Ismaili cosmology: God as "the One" who is beyond attributes; a universal intellect and soul; and the light (nur) passing from the Prophet to Ali and through the line of Imams, with each body merely a garment (jama). She argued this effectively places the Imam in the position of God, and cited statements attributed to the Imam, as well as an Ismaili constitution that describes the Imam as the "mazhar" of God.

The "Ten Avatars" and Hindu influence

Elaina spent time on the Das Avatar tradition, which she said was used to present the Imam as the final incarnation (Kalki) to Hindu converts from the Lohana community. She argued that the Khoja tradition blends Hindu and Islamic elements, and gave examples such as Ginans (devotional hymns) and imagery that appears in some Jamatkhanas.

She also said that in the historic Haji Bibi case in the Bombay High Court, the Aga Khan's side cited this tradition to argue for Hindu rather than Muslim personal law. She described this as an example of the community adapting its identity to the audience, and said that this flexibility is a big part of the community's appeal.

Worship: prayer, fasting, Hajj

This segment compared Ismaili practice with the Five Pillars:

  • Prayer: Ismailis do not perform the five daily prayers. They recite a three-times-daily Du'a and perform a form of prayer only on the two Eids.
  • Fasting: The Imam's guidance makes outward fasting optional and spiritual (batini) fasting obligatory.
  • Hajj: Instead of pilgrimage to Mecca, followers seek Didar, a sight of the Imam, which she said some Ismaili writers present as equivalent to Hajj.
  • Seven pillars: Ismailis count seven, including walaya (devotion to the Imam), with the Quranic acts reinterpreted symbolically (ta'wil).
  • Tawil: she explained how each pillar is given an inner meaning, such as zakat becoming a 12.5% contribution and jihad becoming struggle against the self.

Elaina's argument was that these are not minor differences of jurisprudence but a replacement of obligations the Quran and Prophet commanded.

A day in the Jamatkhana, and the Dasond

Elaina described the daily routine of an Ismaili: early morning bandagi (meditation) at the Jamatkhana, evening gatherings, community food auctions (nandi and mehmani), and elaborate celebrations on occasions such as the Imam's birthday.

Dasond

She explained Dasond as the community's tithe, which she described as 12.5% of income, in place of zakat. She said that non-payment brings pressure from community officials and that giving is encouraged with spiritual rewards.

She also raised the many institutions run by the Aga Khan Development Network, such as hospitals, schools and universities. Responding to the standard defense that this is charitable work, she argued that these institutions charge fees and that the funds originate from followers' contributions. 

Her personal journey

The most personal part of the interview was how Elaina came to leave.

  1. The first doubts. She felt uncomfortable at mixed dancing at Jamatkhana events, and wondered why the Imam permitted something against teachings of Islam.
  2. The Ramadan conversation. While training as a missionary, she told college friends that Ismaili "spiritual fasting" was superior to ordinary fasting. A friend asked her to bring the Quranic verse for it the next day.
  3. No Quran in the house. She went home and discovered her family did not own a copy. She borrowed one from neighbours, and her local Jamatkhana officials told her it was not in the Quran, only "from the Imam."
  4. Surah Al-Baqarah. A neighbour showed her the verse on eating and drinking until dawn. She skipped college the next day out of embarrassment, and tried all day to find a way around it. "I went looking for fasting and found Tawhid instead."

Family and community reaction

Elaina described being left alone while her whole colony celebrated at the Jamatkhana, then the pressure from local officials who came to her home. Eventually, her father, who had been asked to bring her back, began questioning for himself. He accepted Islam and passed away roughly ten months later. Elaina called this the great blessing of the whole journey.

She was banned from attending the Jamatkhana after she began asking questions from the front row.

Where do people go after leaving?

Asked what path most ex-Ismailis take, she said that in her experience about 99% become atheists, because of the sense of betrayal when a figure presented as divine is exposed, combined with prior suspicion of mainstream Muslims and scholars. Those who stay religious most often move to Twelver Shia Islam. She emphasised that she herself does not identify as Shia, Sunni, rather she calls herself Muslim. A title given by Quran.

Why aren't Ismailis legally declared non-Muslim in Pakistan?

Aheer asked why Ahmadis were legally declared non-Muslim in Pakistan while no similar ruling exists for Ismailis. Elaina's answer:

  • Ahmadis openly published and declared their beliefs, which gave evidence for the 1974 decision, while Ismailis, practicing taqiyya, denied their beliefs when questioned.
  • Official Ismaili statements affirm belief in the finality of prophethood and the Quran, which makes it difficult to take action.
  • Many scholars, she said, decline to engage with her evidence, and she claimed the political class are sympathetic to the Aga Khan, citing honours bestowed on him and the takedown of some of her videos on complaint.

She also referenced cases of activists who raised these issues and who, she said, were killed. 

Messages for different audiences

For Ismailis

Review the references with an open mind. If you have doubts, bring them to the Quran. Elaina said she would welcome Ismailis on her platform to challenge her directly.

For Muslims

Do not assume that someone is a Muslim simply because the label is used. She urged Muslims to understand what Ismailis actually believe, and to speak with compassion to those who are questioning.

For new Muslims

Aheer closed with a reminder that reverts leaving a strong community need support, patience and time. He argued that those who criticise new Muslims should first reflect on their own practice.

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Disclaimer: This article summarises a recorded interview. The opinions, historical interpretations and allegations are those of the speakers, not necessarily of the publisher. Readers are encouraged to verify all references independently.

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